LOST EPISODE #1 | Davide Carrera

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Davide also appeared on Episodes #22 and #151

 

 

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[Speaker 2]

Hello my dear friends, lovely to be back with another episode of PLOS for you. This time we have the wonderful Davide Carrera on the show. Now I knew Davide wasn’t going to have the typical practical responses to the training talk questions.

He does love to philosophize and doesn’t give so much direct and practical answers. But he also didn’t read the pdf for this episode, the prepared questions. So what you hear is the raw thoughts of Davide Carrera as they come out sometimes in line with the questions I asked and sometimes not so much.

But that’s okay, it was great just to hear Davide talk. I love his way of going about things and his personal philosophy. A little update for you guys, a whole bunch of interviews is getting recorded in the next week with guests such as Sarah Campbell coming back to the show long awaited.

Sheena McNally recorded that this morning. Wani Valdivia did that this morning too. Nathan Vinsky, that’s going to be tonight.

Erica Shagatai is coming back and even myself as a guest. November is going to be huge for the Freedive Cafe. Next up is a Wani Valdivia interview which I did this morning and that was fascinating.

All about hypoxia, blackout, LMC and DCS from a neurosurgeon. So someone who really knows their stuff. And I just want to say thank you so much for your continued support as patrons.

I know it’s been tough for a lot of you during the pandemic so it means a huge amount to me that you contribute to the upkeep of the show and make it possible for me to continue with the project. Big love from sunny Taiwan. Let’s dive.

So first of all I just want to ask you how you’ve been with the situation that the world is experiencing over the last year because of the coronavirus pandemic. How has that changed the way that you’ve been living? Has it caused you to change your plans a lot and has it maybe had some advantages for you even?

[Speaker 1]

Yeah to me it was not so bad because it depends on the choice we do in life. I choose between an apartment or living more in contact with nature. I choose to live more in contact with nature.

So when I come here in Spain to be closer to my son I had to choose in renting an

apartment or renting a piece of land and living on my camping car and I did that. So during the quarantine to me was anyway good because here I have space to do my yoga, to train, to keep cultivating some vegetables and following this kind of lifestyle. And also I live quite close to mountains and to the sea from here so also yeah I was sometimes escaping a little bit because I don’t cross anybody from where I live to go to the mountain running like in the mountain.

Then I was doing my training. I did a kind of gymnasium here and so like a very, I don’t know how to say, like a rural, like with some pallets I did a place where to do plyometry.

[Speaker 2]
I don’t know if you say like plyometrics. [Speaker 1]

Yeah. Yes and then yeah all different things and so I was training all the time and then of course during quarantine I increased my meditation also in this kind of forced slowdown of the world and yeah we can from this situation we can feel like in jail with limitation or to learn how to feel free by also meditation because when you meditate you can travel inside yourself, you can feel different things and so it’s a nice way of feeling free also if you are just sitting down and at home or in your place. So to me it didn’t change much from my personal lifestyle. The thing that it changed was the competitions because this year they cancelled a lot of competitions.

Yeah. The most important one like Vertical Blue or like all these kind of competitions so it was a little bit more difficult to keep the motivation for training but at the end also to me training is not like just training for a competition but is training for life, is training to try to become a better person, a stronger person in your body, in your mind, in your spiritual side each day. So it was okay.

[Speaker 2]

Yeah and you were also you know we tried to have this interview a couple of times over the last couple of weeks but you were way over in where was it a Fiji or Tahiti or something like this?

[Speaker 1]

No, I was in Morea, French Polynesia and here in Spain the lockdown was mainly spring time and then summer time I was giving lessons in the sea, training, we were allowed to go to the sea and to do sports, open air so everything was fine and then yes this last month I was taking part in some shooting from the next Nuit de la Glisse movie. Nuit de la Glisse is a French production, Swiss-French that does a documentary about extreme sports and that are also on Netflix now and one of them is for example where I’m in is

Don’t Crack Under Pressure and so now we were doing the next that I think it will be out on Netflix on November and we went to French Polynesia to do some shooting with the waves and it was yeah it was very nice.

[Speaker 2]

Awesome so yeah that Don’t Crack Under Pressure documentary that’s already two or three years old right that was the one that we talked about when you did your first interview.

[Speaker 1]

Yeah there are three episodes and the first one we did in 2014 and then well 15, 16 and 17.

[Speaker 2]

All right well I look forward to seeing the new one but I have to be honest I haven’t seen the first one yet because I didn’t, someone told me that it was on Netflix now but I guess I just forgot that so I better go and check it out soon.

[Speaker 1]

Yeah it’s all about different sports so there is also extreme ski and paragliding and surfing and kite surfing different things also mountain biking and yeah and also freediving is on Netflix on this movie so it’s nice for the freediving world.

[Speaker 2]
All right awesome I’ll check it out.
[Speaker 1]
A little bit more on the big screen.
[Speaker 2]
Nice, slowly we’re getting more quality content for freediving. [Speaker 1]

Yeah I was saying I really believe that freediving like other kind of sport is a kind of therapy for for the planet because when we start to do sports more in contact with natural and more in contact with ourself yeah everything is nice and is freediving is not just going deep into the ocean but it’s going deep inside ourself so learning about ourself is a deep therapy.

[Speaker 2]

I just have to say hello from Aaron, Aaron Solomons, I was talking to him yesterday and he says hi.

[Speaker 1]

Thank you very much and big eye to him too I always remember him a lot of love for the time we spent together and the things we share and also my first travel to India it was he gives me all the advice where to go what to do and it was very helpful.

[Speaker 2]

All right so let’s get on to these training talk questions Davide like I said before it’s just for fun so you can answer any way you like. What is your favorite freediving discipline and why?

[Speaker 1]

My favorite is constant weight with monofin because I love the ocean I like the swimming pool for winter training when I’m in Mediterranean when the water start to be quite cold so don’t get too cold every day I go to swimming pool but to me the connection with the ocean is the most fascinating part of freediving and so I like to practice as much as possible in the ocean and going deep and constant weight with monofins I like for the feeling of the movement of this dolphin kick that you work with all your body is a very complete it’s movement and also again is kind of therapy because you have to work on all your muscle and all the flexibility of your body and so yeah I like it very much.

[Speaker 2]

What is your favorite supplementary training for freediving like out of the water what things do you do to support your freediving?

[Speaker 1]

Yeah there is not like a one in particular I think the the most important thing let’s say meditation but why because meditation allowed you to become conscious and more aware of where you need to work because by becoming more aware you can feel where you are more weak and so the best training for for each person is like his personal is trying to strengthen the weak part of us so if you feel weak in your muscle in the legs you know that you can do like squat or going running or going cycling to make your legs stronger and it’s all about that I do many different things also because I like to do different things to don’t make training become kind of boring and and so yeah I like to go running in the in the mountain I like to do some crossfit here in my land where I did this kind of little gymnasium and in a natural way and then I do yoga I think everything is

important so becoming stronger in a classical way of thinking about being strong so doing physical training and also wave lifting or whatever is very good but at the same time I think it’s very important to keep the flexibility of the body so also the yoga posture and and also the nutrition because of course the the food it changed very much how how we feel and if we are more tense or more or too soft so to understand and work

[Speaker 2]

all about balance yes for sure and when you talk about meditation is there any particular style or tradition that you follow when you say you use meditation what kind of meditation technique do

[Speaker 1]

you practice yeah there are so many technique that what is good I think is to try everything and then to as more you you you feel what meditation is that is not a technique it is a status of mind that can happen also while you’re running or while you’re diving for me for example the place where it’s easier to me to meditate is when I’m diving deep because there to be safe you really have to slow down your mind and to connect deeply with with everything with yourself with all energies and so yeah meditation is learning how to to reduce the volume of our thoughts and find this kind of silence inside ourself and actually I sit down and I try to to feel my body to feel my breath to observe my thoughts to let it go step by step sometimes I sit down and I I have a thought maybe I have to to give water to my garden so I I stand up go watering my garden and then I sit down again and and also what I see that as much we are kind of empty as easier it is to go deeper in in the meditation so I like to meditate for example after training when I’m kind of a little bit exhausted on a physical level and at that moment also the mind it get more clear and more empty and so it’s easier in that moment just sitting down and feel what is happening in your body and feel your own weight on your butt the contact with the ground and feeling the air coming into you and nourishing again yourself with with oxygen with energy and yeah this kind of things is like Bruce Lee was saying don’t think feel so learning yeah how to to be to reawake again our capacity on feeling because we live in in a society that sometimes is too rational and so learning how to slow down a little bit the rational side and and feel is very important is is also that is all about balance because at the same times we are masculine and feminine in inside of ourselves and so the rationality is the more masculine side and that’s also is a little bit over how you say like overpowering yes in in this society and give in some power to the feminine side that doesn’t mean to become almost homosexual and if you want you can be also homosexual it’s okay but what I mean is just giving some power also to the feminine side is just learning to be more sensitive again and to be more grateful also to to mother earth and I believe also the ocean is the womb of mother earth and to be a good freediver you have this kind of relationship with with this part that is a kind of mother you know the yeah relationship

[Speaker 2]

you have with with the feminine all right so yeah the next question is well I changed the question because I think it’s better to ask it this way but originally I was asking about the best ways to increase your breath hold time which is a question that a lot of people ask me but I think it’s more interesting to ask you how has your breath hold time or the quality of your breath hold changed over your career like did you start off with a very good breath hold that became even better or did you start off with a not very good breath hold that became very good what have you noticed about your own kind of apnea ability over time I think it change

[Speaker 1]

it change always and it depends on what you are doing the first to give a quick answer is as more you practice as better you you become and then of course um when you train when you train like on a physical level harder then you become stronger and your metabolism accelerates and in that part of the year when you are doing more um more this kind of training the breath hold can decrease because you are already tired you have a lot of like co2 in your body accumulated from the training and so and your heartbeat is faster and many things like this and then when you relax and and you work more on deep freediving or static and you work more on relaxation then you increase your your time and then is all about finding balance because if you keep just training statics of course your breath hold it increase but then you start to lose strength in your muscle um and you you lose like a muscular mass and this to do deep diving is also important because when you dive deep then you need also the power in your legs in your body to come back to the surface so it’s all about finding balance when i i was child when i started to to free dive i was also a swimmer so i was spending all winter time in in italy um training every day in the swimming pool and that was a very very good training because it increased the aquaticity the strength in the muscle the lung capacity uh strength the heart and everything but when i was starting to free dive the beginning of the summer at the beginning was harder and then slowly um working more on relaxation i was increasing my uh my breath hold but yeah what i want to say is there are moments where you have to train more physical part and then there are moments where you you train more the the practice just of breath holding and and trying to find the the right

[Speaker 2]

balance is the best way what are your thoughts on co2 training and the best ways to improve co2 tolerance how much attention do you pay to that when you are training for your your deep diving

[Speaker 1]
yeah yeah is is good because of course when we give some stress to the body then the

body reacts to to find the solution so it increase on a physiological level everything that can help for this situation and so of course this kind of training are also very very important and um yeah sometimes for example also while i’m i’m running sometimes i do some breath hold or i do high intensity um and this it brings you to uh to your limit yeah and then the body the training is this to give some input to the body that so while you are resting the body is recovering to be better at the next time right so

[Speaker 2]

i’m gonna ask you two questions here that for some people are quite uh difficult to uh to to answer but just have fun with them okay so yeah the first question is like uh how would you structure a pool training session if you could only do it in one way for the rest of your life so you have to you can do this you know every day but it doesn’t necessarily just have to be for training to get better it can also be that you want to do it for fun so if you could only do a pool session and do it one way for the rest of your life how would you do it yeah i don’t like too much one way yeah guess

[Speaker 1]

that i i like to change because also the body it changes every day and um and i think that um like listening to your body of course is very important so there are moments um that i feel to do more kind of sprint that are also funny so uh or in the pool session i am doing sprint with my monofilm and sometimes i work with also elastic like bungee and um and i do this kind of job and this it helps to strength the also the the power the muscle and then there are other moments where i feel a little bit tired and that moment i i use my tiredness to learn how to to flow more in the water so working more on on technique on the on the relaxation of the muscle i don’t need to use uh and again feeling as much as possible and um yeah then i’m i’m lucky i know i’m lucky i live close to the ocean so i can practice much also in in the ocean well that’s the next question

[Speaker 2]

the next question is how would you how would you make the deep dive training session yeah and of

[Speaker 1]

course when i was young i’m originally from turin so i was living far from from the sea not too far like a couple of hours by car but winter time i was training every day to to the pool and i think any kind of practice because yes one way a certain point it becomes kind of boring so also while when i was training for a swimming competition every day was different one day you train more sprint one day you train more endurance one day one day you do different things and i believe that also changing things and also to see um to work on our fears um that the fears they surface more when we are in the ocean

because of course the immensity of the ocean and it scares us you know when we think about that we think about dangers of the depth all these kind of things all fears they surface more but anyway um also in the swimming pool just sometimes um also one of the after the the fear of dying uh the second bigger fear is the fear of the the death of our ego so is about failing and um and sometimes if we if we want to perform we have this kind of thought of that we can fail and being not able of performing and so sometimes to give ourselves some challenges so sometimes doing things just for fun and filling the water and feeling good and sometimes just to set a goal that is challenging for us in trying to achieve is a good also psychological job because in that moment the anxiety for the performance it becomes stronger and so we have to deal with this and so it’s good also to prepare for um for competition when a lot of people are looking at us or there are judge and and we feel judged and and so work on this side uh always in in being safe so with some people that can do safety to us and try to show to the other people that we can do um a length in the pool is uh yeah is is a good psychological job and training and that sort of nicely brings us on to

[Speaker 2]

the next question which is what are you doing in your mind in the two minutes before your deep dives like while you’re lying there on the surface um getting ready to do your dive what do you do in your mind uh during the the last couple of minutes

[Speaker 1]

to me free diving is based mainly in freedom so it’s free diving and so two minutes before a deep dive what i try to do is to to feel as free as i can like a child playing so um in that moment i i allowed myself to be free also from the performance so in the moment also in the pool is the same but also in a deep dive as more i um i feel free also to turn uh to do a early turn as more at the end is easy easier to reach the the bottom and um so to to feel connected with the ocean to feel free to enjoy the dive because again many times we when we have to do something big then we start to become too mental and and when we became too mental then we get stuck in our own fears and so and so if we say okay if i fail what happened people they love me they will still love me and people they look at me just because i do big performance it’s it’s okay also if they don’t don’t follow me so much and and so this is a inner freedom you you reach and at that moment is easier to to use your own energy at the top level because the the fear of failing and the the ego and all these kind of things are the are like taking away from us a lot of energies what’s your deepest dive also your best dive my deepest is 116 in constant weight with monofins and um yeah and was uh 2007 vertical blue 2017 yeah um when i did this under 16 and after that competition i didn’t take part in another big competition and um and so i i didn’t dive deeper and now i’m training because uh last year i did like one year off from i was feeling a little bit like after uh some years of never stop and um so i took one year off and now i’m training and to get back and yeah my dream is is still

to to go deeper i think you you maybe missed the

[Speaker 2]

question there a little bit davide i was asking if that dive that you did to 116 meters um if it was you know it was your deepest dive but was it also your best dive in the way that you you feel about the quality of the dive or were there other dives that felt you know that give you a better feeling

[Speaker 1]

or maybe of freedom yeah i have nice memories of different uh nice dives at that moment i was in free and uh under 16 was uh um was very nice feeling yeah which person or persons have

[Speaker 2]
influenced your approach to free diving the most many many person uh one for sure that [Speaker 1]

that it gives me a lot was umberto pelizzari he was his uh his own records and it was uh my also with the peeping and uh this you know that times and um and then i had the opportunity to the safety team of umberto so meaning and following his course from 96 to 2001 when he did the his last world record and um so i had the opportunity to to stay long long prior with him and so i learned i learned a lot from him and sometimes also was some difficulties coming because for example i was trusting him so much and at that time the idea was that to train free diving you had to do more endurance training to be more like how you say like kind of slim in your body to glide in the water and to don’t have too much muscle to burn too much oxygen but now we saw that with alexei for example that the the muscle they help us because they are if you use it in a proper way they are not burning a lot of oxygen and they becomes also a tank of energy of glycogen or and the oxygen so to have some muscle is very important and i was doing resistance to this kind of thought for many years because it was so rooted in me the thought that the endurance was the best training for free diving so for many years i was just doing endurance training and then in the last few years when i started to do again some training with strength with some weight and all these kind of things i started to feel better in deep diving so yeah so yeah just a few fun questions to kind of

[Speaker 2]

finish up the interview here we’re just going to imagine that you’re kind of like you’re stuck on a desert island which i think for you would be a kind of a perfect perfect place you would probably be quite happy to be isolated on the on the natural place somewhere but if you if you had to only eat one meal every day for the rest of your life what meal

would you choose ah it’s a

[Speaker 1]

difficult it’s a difficult question yes because yeah you see i’m i’m not very technical in the you know and um also about training and uh because to me everything is related there is is not if you ask me this the only thing i can say is fasting because if i will be on a on a desert island i will just go in the water meditate and reaching the light and do like a native american meditating till my soul it will leave my body you know i go into the light but then of course i love like fruit i love but i love all kind of food and and i think that we love as much what we need and uh in different season in different places in different moment we can we need more one food or another one so there is not one because if you eat your favorite food for one month then you start to eat it right and uh because this is this is how

[Speaker 2]

how they naturally it works yeah well that’s why we you know we tried to make this question difficult by asking by telling you that you can change it yeah but it’s not going to work with you right okay um right which uh which three books would you take to the island with you

[Speaker 1]

maybe if i will be on an island i will write my own book good idea yes that’s a beautiful idea yes at the moment i have so many things to do and playing with my son training and giving water to the vegetable in the garden and organizing things that i don’t have much time to write some books but let’s say i love to read and um yeah and i read so many interesting book in my life and in the that moment exactly the first one that comes to my mind is the power of now of a cartel because um where which can be the the better place than a desert island where to practicing this kind of uh of things you know the the power of now learning how to be here and now as much as possible so this is uh i think uh the first one and the other two maybe one is a topolino mickey mouse yeah i don’t know and and then and then a book of naked girls right well you’ve got

[Speaker 2]

everything covered all of only photo right okay beautiful beautiful uh old school um right if you could uh if you could spend a day with one famous person or any person from history who would it be

[Speaker 1]

well it could be interesting to spend one day with jesus christ yeah for example yeah and maybe

[Speaker 2]

the maddalena yeah yeah i was just talking to uh to will truebridge and he also said that he also said that it would be interesting to meet uh jesus and find out what kind of guy he was yeah and go

[Speaker 1]

together and speaking about sexuality with him and the maddalena could be interesting yeah

[Speaker 2]

definitely if you could go back in time to live in any historical period or even just visit any period of history what what time would you like to go back to it will be maybe because just

[Speaker 1]

i’m back from french polynesia uh it will be interesting to be a a polynesian uh sailor that coming from another island was discovering a new island in the middle of the pacific ocean full of life and with a very strong nature and full of fishes and and fluids and yeah i think like it was the feeling of being alone in the ocean with all your fear of of being being lost and then finally to find the paradise absolutely yeah that’s a great choice i

[Speaker 2]

was just reading a book about this and it’s it’s really a fascinating part of history and just amazing to to think of the distances that they traveled and the you know using the technology that they they had and mainly navigating by the stars yeah uh yeah davide thank you so much for coming on to freedive cafe plus and telling us all your thoughts on the uh the the the fun questions that we have on here um have an excellent rest of your day over there in andalusia thank you

[Speaker 1]

very much donnie and uh a big uh salutation to all your friends okay thank you thank you all right

[Speaker 2]

hope to talk to you again soon davide enjoy the rest of your day bye bye thank you donnie oh that was davide carrera next up on plus actually i don’t know who’s next on plus but wani valdivia will be next on the regular version of the show and then episodes will be coming thick and fast again when we hit november not to mention that thrivers podcast is also going live all right guys big love dive safe

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